AMD Readies Ryzen 7 8700F and Ryzen 5 8400F for Retail Channel Launch

[btarunr]

AMD is reportedly planning to launch the Ryzen 7 8700F and Ryzen 5 8400F Socket AM5 desktop processors for a global launch, in the retail channel, as boxed processors. The two chips had launched earlier this month in the Chinese retail market. The 8700F reportedly comes with an OPN of 100-100001590BOX, while the 8400F is marked 100-100001591BOX. The "F" in both SKUs denotes a lack of integrated graphics. The Ryzen 7 8700F is an 8-core/16-thread processor based on the 4 nm "Hawk Point" silicon, while the 8400F is a 6-core/12-thread processor based on "Phoenix 2," which offers two "Zen 4" cores that run at higher clock speeds, and four "Zen 4c" cores that run at lower speeds.

The lack of an iGPU isn't the only thing differentiating the 8700F from the 8700G, the new chip even comes with slightly lower CPU clock speeds—100 MHz lower base and maximum boost frequencies. The 8700F CPU runs at a base frequency of 4.10 GHz, with 5.00 GHz maximum boost, when compared to the 4.20/5.10 GHz speeds of the 8700G. The 8400F, on the other hand, runs at 4.20 GHz base frequency, and a 4.70 GHz maximum boost frequency that applies to at least its two "Zen 4" cores; its four "Zen 4c" cores run at lower frequencies. There is no word on pricing. One reason you could want an 8700F over something like a 7700 would be its appetite for memory overclocking, if you can overlook the lack of integrated graphics, a smaller L3 cache, and most importantly, the lack of PCIe Gen 5, and four fewer PCIe lanes.



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[AusWolf]

The iGPU is what makes the 8000-series what they are. Without one, these CPUs aren't only DoA, but basically a scam targeted at people who think that higher number means better.

 

[b1k3rdude]

So my question is will these 'super duper pro' versions have the bull$hit oem fuse in them, that the previous 2 generation short sightedly had...

 

[azrael]

TBH I'd rather have news on the new 5000 XT series chips. What they are, what they will cost and when they will be available.

 

[Firedrops]

> if you can overlook the lack of integrated graphics, a smaller L3 cache, and most importantly, the lack of PCIe Gen 5, and four fewer PCIe lanes.

That's quite a big ask, unless this chip costs like 30% or less vs the G variants. We all know that's not going to happen.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

> if you can overlook the lack of integrated graphics, a smaller L3 cache, and most importantly, the lack of PCIe Gen 5, and four fewer PCIe lanes.

That's quite a big ask, unless this chip costs like 30% or less vs the G variants. We all know that's not going to happen.

Must be much cheaper because characteristics are older and lesser. I suppose that would be 50-60% of it's G series equivalent.

 

[Flaky]

while the 8400F is a 6-core/12-thread processor based on "Phoenix 2," which offers two "Zen 4" cores that run at higher clock speeds, and four "Zen 4c" cores that run at lower speeds.

Is it? Detailed specs on AMD website show die size and PCIe connectivity matching Phoenix 1.

 

[Tomorrow]

For comparison, the prices of 8700G and 8500G are at the moment: 308€ and 165€

In order to buy F variants with many big disadvantages, they have to be very, very cheap. The speculated prices of 300€ and 150€ are completely absurd. Why buy a cheap 8700F for 300€ when the 8700G is only €8 more expensive? Even 7700 is 309€ and 7600 is 165€, which are better options than 8700F and 8400F costing almost the same money.

Disadvantages of F variants:
* No iGPU. Even the 7600 has at least 2CU to display the image. The F SKU doesn't have even that.
* No PCIe 5.0 support at all.
* The number of PCIe 4.0 lanes from the processor is only 8 and 4, respectively, which strongly limits the simultaneous use of M.2 and dGPU.
* L3 is only half of regular Ryzen which hurts performance in all games.
* The IHS is not soldered.

In my opinion, the 8700F should cost no more than 165€ and the 8400F no more than 100€ globally. Then the savings would be worth all these disadvantages. Otherwise, buy the 7600 if you need future-proof 6c/12t, or the 7700 if you need 8c/16t, or the 8700G and 8500G respectively if you need more capable integrated graphics (although the 8500G 4CU isn't much better than a regular Ryzen 2CU, unlike the 8700G 12CU graphics).

 

[TumbleGeorge]

I agree with Tomorrow for prices that mentioned in first sentence of last passage.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Perhaps these will be "donated" to OEM puters and not on the shelves... AMD are notorious for questionable releases but they're not utterly deranged.

 

[Keullo-e]

Personally I don't see the lack of PCIe 5.0 support as a significant thing, but these need to be reasonably priced since they are just disabled APUs with cut-down cache when compared to similarly named non-APU versions.

Most likely they'll end in OEM systems with an entry-level GPU like a RX 6300/6400 or something similar.

 

[ghazi]

Perhaps these will be "donated" to OEM puters and not on the shelves... AMD are notorious for questionable releases but they're not utterly deranged.

That is probably the destination for most of these. Memory OC won't make up for the tiny L3, it's starved.

 

[Evrsr]

Hopefully these will go down to $125, AM5 boards are already expensive.

I guess this also says how bad the G models are selling at the launch prices. I am building a PC for a family member and will be using AM4 or 1700.

Even with a bigger budget I don't know if AM5 would make sense with 5700X3Ds at a very interesting price. Until the PS6, even a 5600X is probably more than enough for most games, for years to come.