Intel Prepares Core Ultra 9 285K, Core Ultra 7 265K, and Core Ultra 5 245K Arrow Lake-S Desktop CPUs

[AleksandarK]

Hardware leaker Raichu, known for accurately predicting Intel's moves, has unveiled intriguing details about the company's forthcoming desktop CPU lineup. According to the leaks, Intel is supposed to introduce a big shift in its desktop CPU naming convention with the arrival of the Core Ultra 200 series, codenamed Arrow Lake-S. This next-generation lineup promises to deliver one of the most significant performance leaps for desktop processors in recent years, marking a substantial departure from Intel's current naming strategy—a change that hasn't been witnessed in over a decade. The Core Ultra 200 series is expected to encompass a diverse range of tiers and variants, catering to various user needs. This includes the overclockable K models for enthusiasts, F variants without integrated graphics, and potentially low-power T models for energy-efficient SKUs. According to Raichu's leaks, the unlocked K-Series models are rumored to include the high-end Core Ultra 9 285K, the mid-range Core Ultra 7 265K, and the budget-friendly Core Ultra 5 245K. While the absence of a 290K part has raised eyebrows, these names resemble Intel's mobile CPU naming conventions.

To enjoy the Core Ultra 200 series, users will need to upgrade to new motherboards featuring the 800-series chipsets and the LGA-1851 socket. Unlike the Core Ultra 200V Lunar Lake models for mobile devices, details about the desktop version have remained scarce, shrouding the impending launch in an air of mystery. While Raichu's leaks carry significant weight, it's essential to approach such information cautiously. There's a possibility that SKUs like the 290K may still be introduced, as a new KS version, aligning with Intel's traditional naming conventions. The Core Ultra 200 series promises to cater to a wide range of desktop users, from the performance-hungry enthusiasts eyeing the Core Ultra 9 285K to budget-conscious consumers seeking the value proposition of the Core Ultra 5 245K. The Core Ultra 7 265K is expected to strike a balance between performance and affordability, targeting the mid-range segment. As more leaks and official information surface, we will continue to provide updates on this release from Intel.



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[bonehead123]

M.e.H....

I know this is just a leak, but can someone call me when they get real specs showing that these new chips are faster, cooler AND cheaper, then & only then will I be moderately interested...

Otherwise, see the above ^

 

[Daven]

I'm very interested in seeing where Intel goes on the desktop. It has been confirmed that the number of threads will go down (from 32 down to 24) with the removal of hyperthreading from both P and E cores. There also has been some reviews of Meteor Lake that shows lower P core IPC and these new desktop processors are mostly based on that architecture. The last piece of the puzzle is whether or not Intel lowers the clock speeds (base and turbo). If all three of these (threads, IPC and clocks) go down in favor of a faster iGPU and the addition of an NPU, I would venture to say that Intel has exited the performance desktop market in favor of an all-around approach with much better power efficiency.

Edit: Also this line:

"To harness the full potential of the Core Ultra 200 series, users will need to upgrade to new motherboards featuring the 800-series chipsets and the LGA-1851 socket."

Is not correct. You cannot use the Core Ultra 200 series at all without the new socket. The line suggests that other sockets work but you cannot get max performance.

 

[P4-630]

This next-generation lineup promises to deliver one of the most significant performance leaps for desktop processors in recent years

Hyperthreading or not, sounds good though..

with the removal of hyperthreading from both P and E cores.

E-Cores never had hyperthreading...

 

[Crackong]

So
Ship with baseline profile
or 'Default MCE 4095W Protection off' profile ?

 

[phints]

This new naming is so baffling and stupid I don't even want to think about Intel anymore. Will just wait for reviews to see if they have 2x the performance per watt needed to rival competitors, Intel 4 lithography is bare minimum at this point.

 

[Outback Bronze]

This new naming is so baffling and stupid

Yeah, wtf hey..

 

[Onasi]

Changing the naming scheme when the previous one was absolutely fine is a… move. Guess this is to unify it with mobile, but still seems unwieldy.
Not like AMD is much better with theirs and their obsession with giving higher numbers to APUs and mobile chips and then incrementing desktop parts by two to male things extra confusing. Ah yes, makes sense that 5th generation of Zen is 9000 series. Totally.

 

[ZoneDymo]

yeah im going to lost track of where what sits in the performance charts

 

[P4-630]

This next-generation lineup promises to deliver one of the most significant performance leaps for desktop processors in recent years

If it's true and it really performs that well compared to raptor-lake refresh, I don't care about the new name-scheme lol!...

 

[Hyderz]

K skus again? Let’s hope the unlocked cpus this time actually provide some form of decent overclocking headroom but I’m not hopeful

 

[SL2]

This new naming is so baffling and stupid I don't even want to think about Intel anymore.

THIS is stupid? You're missing all the zeros?

875K
2700K
3770K
4770K
4790K
5775C
6700K
7700K
8700K
9900K
10900K
11900K'LOL
12900K
13900K
14900K
285K

It's like back to the beginning. I like it a lot, all those digits was just like they tried to prove something, and now they don't have to.

Spoiler

Oh you think it's a coincidence that Intel went five digit as soon as AMD were back in the game?
j/k

Spoiler

Also, someone will reply just because they forgot about the 2700K.

I stand by my four year old post.

True. The way I see it, they will change it when they have something worthy of a new name. Comet Lake is not.

 

[RogueSix]

Intel 4 lithography is bare minimum at this point.

Arrow Lake = Intel 20A (Meteor Lake = Intel 4)

I'm not expecting all that much from Arrow Lake though. Intel keeps emphasizing 18A as the node that is supposed to enable them to return to former glory. They are barely ever even mentioning 20A and if they do then they state that it is a transitional node on the way to 18A. Going by Intel's marketing, this will be the most forgettable node ever and Arrow Lake will be a rather insignificant stepping stone on the way to 18A.

I'm definitely looking forward to 18A due to how Intel is advertising it as the one node to rule them all. They are even aiming for a 2025 release with desktop Panther Lake CPUs so it should be pretty interesting to see how Panther Lake is going to fare against Zen 5 X3D CPUs.
Zen 5 X3D should be out much earlier (my guess is March after an introduction at CES in January) and I would guess that Panther Lake will not be out before October but it should be a really interesting duel nonetheless once all the cards are on the table next year...

 

[Assimilator]

Given that Meteor Lake was zero improvement over its predecessor except for IGP, I'm not expecting Arrow Lake to be anything more than another slow, power hog. Intel is very obviously using this rebranding to try to shake off the stigma of the turds it's been plopping out for the last god knows how many generations, but they really should've waited until Lunar/Panther Lake to do that.

 

[dgianstefani]

Changing the naming scheme when the previous one was absolutely fine is a… move. Guess this is to unify it with mobile, but still seems unwieldy.
Not like AMD is much better with theirs and their obsession with giving higher numbers to APUs and mobile chips and then incrementing desktop parts by two to male things extra confusing. Ah yes, makes sense that 5th generation of Zen is 9000 series. Totally.

Not sure the 16th generation is absolutely fine.

AMD with 9th generation is already pushing it.

If it's true and it really performs that well compared to raptor-lake, I don't care about the new name-scheme lol!...

I think they'd have to try really hard to not see massive efficiency improvements from new architecture/packaging/transistor design/BPD/node etc., which should also translate into performance improvements.

Sure, they're losing HT on eight cores, but it's still a 24 core CPU at the high end.

On a 14900K I would personally already disable HT, since you can get better core clocks, better ring clocks, slightly lower power usage, better security, and who needs HT when you have 8 P and 16 E cores???

I've played around with SMT on/off even with a 7800X3D and it's barely noticable performance wise if you use process lasso to lock tasks to specific cores.

On a chip with 8-16 E cores?

From the leaked benchmarks of prerelease silicon they're not seeing a regression in MT despite the eight fewer threads, so I think it's going to be a positive release.

 

[Onasi]

Not sure the 16th generation is absolutely fine.

AMD with 9th generation is already pushing it.

Eh, it’s fine. If Square can put out a Final Fantasy 16, Intel can too. Although I am curious what NV will choose to do in several generations. An RTX 10080 doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue. Honestly, I wish we stuck with catchy edgy names like Voodoo and Rage plus simple numbers. That was fun, at least.

 

[Keullo-e]

Confusing naming. Why just not continue with their naming scheme they've used since Sandy?

If Square can put out a Final Fantasy 16

Still waiting for its PC port, dammit

 

[evernessince]

On a 14900K I would personally already disable HT, since you can get better core clocks, better ring clocks, slightly lower power usage, better security, and who needs HT when you have 8 P and 16 E cores???

I'd assume a good chunk of people bought the 14900K for the Multi-threaded performance. Otherwise it's just throwing money away, might as well get the 7800X3D.

Removing Hyperthreading puts intel in a position where it has to come up with 30-32% more multi-threading performance elsewhere in the design to even maintain prior gen MT performance.

Of course I suppose Intel could just offer very good value, that's always an option.

 

[dgianstefani]

Removing Hyperthreading puts intel in a position where it has to come up with 30-32% more multi-threading performance elsewhere in the design to even maintain prior gen MT performance.

They have already achieved more than this based on benchmarks some months ago for Arrow Lake.

I'd assume a good chunk of people bought the 14900K for the Multi-threaded performance. Otherwise it's just throwing money away, might as well get the 7800X3D.

Only good for gaming.

Raptor lake has 20% or more better ST performance than Zen 4 based on synthetic testing.

 

[SL2]

Eh, it’s fine. If Square can put out a Final Fantasy 16, Intel can too. Although I am curious what NV will choose to do in several generations. An RTX 10080 doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue. Honestly, I wish we stuck with catchy edgy names like Voodoo and Rage plus simple numbers. That was fun, at least.

AMD/Intel/Nvidia has restarted several times by now, but I don't think anyone else did go five digit like Intel.

After 9800 GTX came GTX 280, for instance.

Not really important tho, as the amount of letters are increasing instead..

 

[TumbleGeorge]

10900K

10850K
Was cheaper version of 10(only P) cores CPU.
But now core ultra 285...Hm will be premium priced because top model?

 

[Wirko]

The "i" in Core Ultra 9 285K stands for intelligence, innovation and ingenuity.

 

[RGAFL]

They have already achieved more than this based on benchmarks some months ago for Arrow Lake.


Only good for gaming.

Raptor lake has 20% or more better ST performance than Zen 4 based on synthetic testing.

I've never played that game called Synthetic Testing. Is it any good?

Meanwhile in the real world while gaming, Intel uses more power with a higher clock speed and still loses in the majority of games.

 

[dgianstefani]

I've never played that game called Synthetic Testing. Is it any good?

Meanwhile in the real world while gaming, Intel uses more power with a higher clock speed and still loses in the majority of games.

Believe it or not most people use their computers for things other than gaming.

 

[RGAFL]

Believe it or not most people use their computers for things other than gaming.

So in that example still, for example in the server and datacentre space, Intel uses more cores, more power with higher clock speeds and still loses in the majority of benchmarks.